Posts by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

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Moral Values of an Atheist

by hamilcarr in

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some thoughts spinning through my head .... what does it mean to be an atheist?

it means you cannot imagine your homosexual neighbor being slaughtered by a loving god at judgment's day, it means you don't consider the primitive tribe described in numbers 31 that slew midianite men and raped innocent virgins to be god's first covenant people, it means you don't believe mankind is so perverted that it is in need of salvation through a man who came 'not with peace, but with a sword', it means you have high moral values that apply not only to the members of your denomination but to all men.. h. .

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Great posts here. Great thread. I call myself an Atheist, and I detest more than ever, for example, when someone deliberately acts deceitfully for his own monetary or personal gain. Especially when I look back on the very religious people I grew up around (JWs) who I KNOW didn't report all income because they could get away with it and felt entitled as Witnesses of God Himself.

Even the Bible says in the NT that people of nations were a law to themselves, that they acted naturally and correctly with respect to certain things.

The JW interpretation of this is "conscience". My conscience tells me that Christmas is good, and adultery and stealing are bad. Easy enough.

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help question(s) on 1914

by bobld in

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per wbts:"you can live forever in paradise on earth" ch 16. from 607 b.c.e.

to 1914 or "the time of the gentiles" during this time,god did not have a gov't to represent his rulership in the earth.the command to restore and rebuild the walls of jerusalem was given in 455 b.c.e.

jesus was baptized.. per wbts: wt64 p.80 in part .

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

As far as 'when true worship was restored to Jerusalem' the JW explanation of this reverts to 'spiritual Jerusalem', or 'new Jerusalem', the heavenly kingdom of 144,000 plus Jesus.

This is not to be confused with 'Heavenly Jerusalem' which is also 'the Jerusalem above', no these are different and are Jehovah's wifelife heavenly organization of angels and him.

I don't remember when they say true worship was restored, probably 1918, after the king was placed on his throne in 1914 and the kingdom established. The 'spiritual' definition means that literal Jerusalem was never again the center of true worship.

I wished I had forgot all this.

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Those ole' JW feelings.......................

by ScoobySnax in

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you know i never been happier, got the best relationship i ever had, living life free............. but you know there is still the old nagging in the back of my mind.

i miss my jw days, and i don't think i'll ever escape them.

guess it's just a part of me.....

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Almost Atheist you pegged it. I miss the accolades. It's normal to feel good when praised and needed.

Actors, musicians, public speakers, performers of all types get that feeling regularly and it's addictive, and naturally feels good, so that when we lose it, it's definitely a loss on our psyche and ego. That's not a bad thing--it doesn't mean we're shallow, it's just that when a good feeling goes away, we feel it. It's a natural need-to be respected, valued and praised.

And, there was some love there too, there were some people who were always faithful, always there and kind, and we were happy to see them and they us. Some of those people, not all, became our family.

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Ways to keep entertained when going to a meeting...

by cognac in

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lets see, this is what i got so far:.

played games on cell phone.

did my own personal research.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

'take notes'--LOL--I balanced my checkbook (would even call the bank to check my balance at the meeting--wireless headset!!!) and would write down the bills that were due. Once someone said how studious I looked taking all those notes!!

yeah, i'm quite the student. . .

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Do You Believe The Majority of JWs Believe Everything They Are Taught?

by minimus in

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years ago, nearly every jw were true believers.

even if they were considered weak in the faith, they accepted all the beliefs and views from "mother".

do you think today's witnesses accept everything as being the truth?.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Yes, 99.9%, absolutely Yes. Even when bad behavior or change in doctrine occurs, they defend it without shame--as if no one could possibly see through them or would think that they're stupid for blindly following.

Sure they're are some-and I knew a few-who may question. Like, a good ex-friend of ours who's still an elder says, 'If I found out that the Bible said differently, I would follow the Bible not JWs'. He always told people to study the Bible, read the Bible, not always the literature, because 'we're Bible students, not students of literature written by humans'.

He's been unofficially counselled about this, he told us, but he defends his statements, because the Bible says so. They have left him alone generally because he's right.

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I just inherited close to 2.02 million dollars!!!

by FreedomFrog in

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wow oh wow...what should i ever do with all that much money.... mrs. adina f. agana.

credit accounts officer.

head office equitable pci bank twr.. mkt avenue.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Yeah, she alone has control over your account! These are funny. I can't block the email addresses fast enough, there are so many.

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Do you consider your time as a JW wasted time??

by karter in

many of us have devoted a lot of time and energy to the jw's at the expense of other things like education , planing for retirement , family time just to name a few.. i don't consider it all wasted time there was a lot of good i learnt however i'm doing things now as a jw i never would have.. i don't have the same time pressure and never fell guilty about taking a lot of time out for myself as one elder said to me"if we don't keep you brothers real busy in the work of the kingdom you get swallowed up by the world" .

karter.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Yes. Except, I have been successful in sales for many years as a result of the fine training I gained from pioneering while not making a penny.

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what to say?

by xig28 in

hello i just started a new profile here but i have been wandering around here for awhile.i have seen many stories somewhat similar to what i have right now.

i have read many post from people here and they have been somewhat helpful ,but now i need help with a little of my own problem.

for future refrences i apologize if my story isnt as descriptive as i want it to be but please read until the very end.. well for starters i am 16, yes i am young and have my entire life ahead of me to enjoy but idk if i can fully enjoy it but please just listen to my story.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I was going also say: She has her whole life ahead of her too, and like others here, she could leave the jws too if she chose. She's responsible for what makes her happy too.

Keep us posted!

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what to say?

by xig28 in

hello i just started a new profile here but i have been wandering around here for awhile.i have seen many stories somewhat similar to what i have right now.

i have read many post from people here and they have been somewhat helpful ,but now i need help with a little of my own problem.

for future refrences i apologize if my story isnt as descriptive as i want it to be but please read until the very end.. well for starters i am 16, yes i am young and have my entire life ahead of me to enjoy but idk if i can fully enjoy it but please just listen to my story.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Hi. Great post. I see where you're coming from, I've thought the same about my situation:

I want my dad (and mom too maybe) to accept me and for us to be friends but they won't even speak to me because I left the JW religion. I'm 39, the youngest of 5 and we're not getting any younger, right? I could pursue some things that I think my dad might listen to about the JWs, but I have to step back and think like you are. . .he's 72, and how much life does he have left? 10-15 ok years left? I want my daddy, but I know if he left it he'd lose relationship with my mom and the other 3 kids that are in it, and countless friends, he'd lose his whole life's routine which brings him happiness. On the other hand, I won't 'do' the jw thing anymore cause it's an awful, hateful, false cult, and I won't fake it in order to earn my parents' love AND their disowning me is NOT making me want to go back to it.

I've been (as have others here) a teenager JW with 'worldly' friends, and I'll tell you this about your friend: she's torn between having a boyfriend and not--cause NOT having a boyfriend is the JW rule. You gotta hide what you are to everyone in both your lives and it's hard. Plus, the JWs are totally anti-sex-before-marriage. (they're almost totally anti-sex now that I think about it.) If you were to 'be her first' her parents would be all devastated and she'd have to tell the elders everything she did, everyone would know in her congregation and it would be ugly, they make such a big deal out of it. I'm not trying to make you leave her alone, just want to make sure you get the JWs. They're freaks, total freaks. Everything is bad and naughty, and every bad thing on the news means that 'the end is near'. Sure, their happy in it when it's all they think about.

You're a kind person to consider her happiness now and future; you rock. Really.

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IF THERE WAS AN UNSOLVED DEATH IN A KH

by badboy in

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how would everyone react.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

This could work.